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Hot or Not: Japanese Light Cruiser Oyodo


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MrDeaf #21 Posted 16 May 2017 - 02:06 AM

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View PostEisennagel, on 15 May 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

 

 

I find the hanger a surprising vision of the future.  Nowadays, every modern warship has a hanger like that, with helicopters now the floatplanes of the modern era.

 

 

 

lemme go find that crazy seaplane/anti-CV blog post website again...

ah, here we go...

http://www.combatref...anefighters.htm

 

 


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Eisennagel #22 Posted 16 May 2017 - 02:12 AM

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It won't be hard to make the Ooyodo a modern warship.  The gun turrets are to be replaced by SAMs.  We clear the rear deck and make it flat for helicopters, and the hanger will be the new home for these.

 

 



MrDeaf #23 Posted 16 May 2017 - 02:42 AM

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View PostEisennagel, on 15 May 2017 - 09:12 PM, said:

 

 

It won't be hard to make the Ooyodo a modern warship.  The gun turrets are to be replaced by SAMs.  We clear the rear deck and make it flat for helicopters, and the hanger will be the new home for these.

 

 

 

nah, as crazy as that blog site is, it does make many good points about seaplanes being better than helicopters.

So those 44.5m catapults should be kept.


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dseehafer #24 Posted 16 May 2017 - 03:13 AM

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View PostMrDeaf, on 15 May 2017 - 08:42 PM, said:

 

nah, as crazy as that blog site is, it does make many good points about seaplanes being better than helicopters.

So those 44.5m catapults should be kept.

 

Well, Oyodo's big catapult was replaced in 3/44 by a standard 25m one, so....

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View PostMrDeaf, on 16 May 2017 - 12:42 PM, said:

 

nah, as crazy as that blog site is, it does make many good points about seaplanes being better than helicopters.

So those 44.5m catapults should be kept.

 

I can't see how seaplanes work for ASW, like bringing down a sonar buoy to the water, then stay in that spot for a while to listen.   ASW is one, and perhaps the most compelling reason for ships to have helicopters.

 

 


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MrDeaf #26 Posted 16 May 2017 - 06:33 PM

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View PostEisennagel, on 16 May 2017 - 04:54 AM, said:

 

I can't see how seaplanes work for ASW, like bringing down a sonar buoy to the water, then stay in that spot for a while to listen.   ASW is one, and perhaps the most compelling reason for ships to have helicopters.

 

 

 

well, you don't have to have the sonar buoy attached to the aircraft.

All you really need to do is dump it into the water.

seaplanes have more carrying capacity than helicopters, so they could carry more buoys.

seaplanes are faster than helicopters, so they can cover more ground in the same time.


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Eisennagel #27 Posted 17 May 2017 - 09:08 AM

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View PostMrDeaf, on 17 May 2017 - 04:33 AM, said:

 

well, you don't have to have the sonar buoy attached to the aircraft.

All you really need to do is dump it into the water.

seaplanes have more carrying capacity than helicopters, so they could carry more buoys.

seaplanes are faster than helicopters, so they can cover more ground in the same time.

 

If its attached via wire, the helo can actively ping the buoys and listen to it.  You can lift up the buoy, fly to another spot, deploy it again, and listen.  Listening via wire has much greater fidelity as opposed through the radio.   The buoy doesn't just float, because listening from the surface limits your listening depth, and the surface is tends to be noisy.  You want the sonar probe to sink deep, connected to the helo, which can lift it up and reuse it on another location.

 

Seaplanes do not have any more carrying or lifting capacity than helicopters.  That's why we have Sealifters.

 

If you are dumping buoys, sooner or later you are going to run out.  Not only is this method expensive, it runs the risk that your potential enemy can pick them up and study your secrets.   And if you are dumping buoys, the helo can drop them with greater precision in location to create a net or a pattern.

 

For reconnaissance, floatplanes are replaced by larger two engined planes for many reasons.  Here is a big one.

 

You need radar.  You need to put radar on the nose, where the propeller is.

 

Radar needs to look downward.  But your float pontoons are on the way.

 

Radar needs to look sideways.  Again, your float pontoons are on the way.

 

The weight and power requirements --- you truly need iron cores for transformers --- for radars are prohibitive on small planes.  You need big radars to scan large areas with greater range more effectively.

 

The heavier the plane, the bigger your floats need to be to counteract that weight.  That makes them less efficiently aerodynamic.  The floats also increase the plane's radar signature, making it easier to be spotted by enemy radar, destroyed by fighters or SAMs.

 

 


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