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Judge_Doom #21 Posted 30 April 2017 - 06:09 AM

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 30 April 2017 - 04:29 AM, said:

It's not going to change.

 

Its not going to change due to the lack of moderation from WG, while there may be some that complain about over moderation in this forum, truth is this has to be one of the least moderated forums I have ever been on.  The amount of things that some get away with on this forum would not be tolerated for a second on others I have visited. With the current state of things here, we are well on our way to being on equal par with the WOT forum, which sucks big time!

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View PostJudge_Doom, on 30 April 2017 - 01:09 AM, said:

 

Its not going to change due to the lack of moderation from WG, while there may be some that complain about over moderation in this forum, truth is this has to be one of the least moderated forums I have ever been on.  The amount of things that some get away with on this forum would not be tolerated for a second on others I have visited. With the current state of things here, we are well on our way to being on equal par with the WOT forum, which sucks big time!

 

People are going to be how people are.  PvP attracts alpha type personalities.  That's a simple fact.  They're not going to be like "oh phooey, I died again.  Oh well!"  People get frustrated.  They want to win.  if they were to over moderate here, there would BE no community, people would go out to reddit where they can be as buttholish as they want to be.


PicknChew #23 Posted 30 April 2017 - 06:17 AM

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I sort of agree with the OP and I believe WG is responsible for this toxicity.

 

Half the threads are about nerfing or buffing a class which creates some sort of class war, in the forum but also in-game. 6.3.0 is a turning point for me in the game, as it is a massive nerf for DDs (USN, IJNs and stealth-build russian DDs). It is after this update that the game-play got worse, DD population has been decreasing, team-play is now gone...

 

To cure OWSF which was not an issue apart for some cruisers, WG introduced a mechanics that has turned the game into a solo game. DDs not capping or supporting, BBs yoloing, lemming trains.... in turn, you do not control or weight as much on games. Some games get decided in the first minutes and it is pretty much impossible to recover from there. And from that point, you might as well try to play for your XP and credits rather than try to save the game.

 

So here we are. It is easier to go forum and scream for unbalancing the game to your advantage than actually try to play it well.

 

Until WG starts to re-introduce team-play and get some balance back in the game it will get worse. And looking at the feedback from them, I don't except things to get better any time soon.

 

 



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View PostDoomlock, on 29 April 2017 - 10:46 PM, said:

The community, whilst having some...unsavory individuals, are still good as a whole from what I've seen and well meaning. Especially individuals such as Lert, and Dseehafer.

 

 

 

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I just dug my way out of a 9 hour reddit rabbit hole. The people here are fine.

 

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The forum visitors are more passionate about the game, and there are quiet voices with wise opinions and loud voices riddled with complaints.

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People get treated like trash in this community for having bad or mediocre stats. It's more than just the social currency, stats are something that some people seem to regard as being analogous to an individual's worth as a human being. I've had some moments of genuine angst knowing that I tanked my stats a bit during a non-productive evening of play, just because I don't want to be looked down on by my "peers." That added pressure is going to make people very, very touchy about perceived lack of effectiveness of teams, or assumed imbalances in the game, and that's going to bring out a lot of salt.

When I came to this forum, I was an excited player that really wanted to interact with fellow gamers, learn about the history of the ships, and elevate my play. Immediately, before I posted a single thing, I was made painfully aware that people on this message board hated me because 1) my stats were bad and 2) I liked playing battleships. Seriously, the venom on the forum that people had for me, without knowing me and before I had even made a single post, was unreal. It was genuine hate, and it basically soured me to the point where I spent/spend most of my time here just trolling the toxic brats that think that it's super cool to crap on people for playing a certain type of ship, or for not maintaining some MLG level with their play. It's a cycle, on the forums at least. A toxic, hateful community sours new participants on interacting with said community, and begets more toxicity. Hell, I stopped into the Twitch stream of a recently verified and vetted Community Contributor only to listen to them spouting garbage hate speech that wouldn't even be tolerated on the forums, so the problem extends well beyond here.

 

I'm actually trying to reign in my own threadbombing, but I'm still bitter about the people that ruined this place for me. Truth be told, I think that the healthiest way to interact with the World of Warships community is to avoid it entirely. But I'm here, so I'm going to try to be the kind of person that I was hoping to find when I came to this forum in the first place. 



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The only one that can really lessen toxicity is WG.

But I'm not really sure they are capable of keeping all the diverse groups in this game happy at the same time. If that's what they are trying to do, it's a bad idea and it's failing.


 

 


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View PostKitsunelegend, on 30 April 2017 - 04:27 AM, said:

Please keep in mind, before continuing, that I'm writing this while both stressed out and sleep deprived, so if something doesn't make sense, or seems off or is spelled incorrectly and I use improper grammar, thats probably why.

 

Lately I've noticed an increasing trend among this community, from all sides. From the normal forum users, to the community contributors, to some of the more well known forum goers, where it seems to me at least, that a very bad level of toxicity is taking over, especially when talking about anything regarding stats, be it from ship stats, to server stats, to personal stats...

 

People are becoming very salty about losing a couple games in a row. They're seemingly so caught up in ship stats and trying to make sure ships are always able to win a 1v1 against their own class, to worrying about their own personal stats and trying to use them as a means of bragging...I'm not at all saying this is a bad thing, but lately I've noticed it seems to be getting out of control.

 

People seem to be playing this game to be the best at it. To be super competitive against the best. To be "MLG" or something. What ever happened to just playing the game because "hey! Thats a famous battleship!" Or "hey! I love cruisers cause they were the work horses of X navy!" or "I play CVs because I like naval aviation!" 

 

People seem so caught up on playing their stats and not actually playing the game. They're missing the whole point of this game by doing this, and what it means to have a community that we used to have.

 

Back in CBT, I saw people who enjoyed the game because X ship was in the game. This is what I mean. Not too many people seemed to really care all that much about stats. They didn't really seem to worry about having purple stat cards or anything like that, not to say they didn't try to play their best. They still tried to play for the win of course, like anyone should, but if they made a mistake that got them sunk, or they messed up and ended up losing because of it, they went "oh well, shite happens =P" then they went off into the next game and enjoyed blowing things up. They didn't let it get to them.

 

I'm worried this community is losing site of what made it so much better than WoT. I'm worried this community is becoming what it feared most....there are still some amazing individuals around, who go out of their way to help others. There are still some who play the game only because they enjoy naval history. But for the most part, players are getting much more upset, much more salty, much more...angry...and over all negative lately...

 

I know I seem like I'm rambling...but things that have happened recently in my life...from a very close family member having a cancer scare, nearly losing another family member, to actually losing a childhood friend to a drug overdose of all things, and to having to deal with major health issues of my own... its put things into perspective for me...its shown just how negative this community has become lately...

 

And I'm scared....I'm scared, because it feels like its driving me away... I try to be care free and let it slide...I try to just enjoy this game because "yay floaty botes!" but its just....draining me...on top of everything else...

 

I'm scared...because I don't want to lose what I consider my second home... I may not show it at times...but I hold a LOT of you guys as close friends...even if I don't tell you...or we've never played together, or never spoke on comms... I don't want to lose what we once were...

 

 

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View Postdseehafer, on 30 April 2017 - 07:08 AM, said:

All these people not going to buy the Hood because she doesn't look all that great... ITS THE FREAKING HMS HOOD PEOPLE!!

 

Buy the bloody thing if for no other reason than to stare at it in port. A quality 1/350 model of the Hood will easily cost at least $100, and WG will, most likely, sell theirs for around $50. Already that's a helluva deal just for being able to look at it in port. And you know what? You can't sail a model in a naval battle, or fire it's guns, watch it sink, etc... and best of all... your cat can't knock it off of its shelf!!

 

I won't buy the Hood either because she doesn't look great, but I mean that in terms of aesthetics and not in terms of gameplay.

 

She is a bit too long for my taste, and a lot of free space at her midships. Worst thing is her lack of a flush deck, that completely ruins her for me. Comparing that to the Prinz Eugen, flush deck, beautiful bow, not much space wasted, Battleship-like look. But tastes differ.

 

Fun aside, my point is that I would buy any ship as long as it looks beautiful and it has a decent history. Unfortunately that alone excludes ships like Arizona, Mutsu and Belfast (those tripple turrets, baah).


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View Postcrzyhawk, on 30 April 2017 - 06:16 AM, said:

 

People are going to be how people are.  PvP attracts alpha type personalities.  That's a simple fact.  They're not going to be like "oh phooey, I died again.  Oh well!"  People get frustrated.  They want to win.  if they were to over moderate here, there would BE no community, people would go out to reddit where they can be as buttholish as they want to be.

 

Its not a matter of 'over moderation', it IS a matter of just doing some moderation.  You yourself I am sure have witnessed how some of the threads go, they fall apart in a heart beat and then continue on a down hill slide and what is the response from the Moderators...crickets...,while those are the most toxic and do it on a regular basis continue to get away with it.  Moderators do not have to over moderate, they simply have to do some moderating.

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I hear ya.  This is especially timely as today, yesterday now, was the first time I have filed a report for chat violations.  I have pretty thick skin.  You can say what you want about me and I really don't care.  Profanity, usually, is not a big deal to me although there are the occasional exceptions, but  today was the first time I felt compelled to do more than just hit the report button and went ahead and filed a ticket with screen shots and the whole nine yards.  I have never seen such language used in this game until today.  It' gets pretty salty from time to time but this was just above and beyond.  I hope that this isolated occurrence remains just that.

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 30 April 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

People are going to be how people are.  PvP attracts alpha type personalities.  That's a simple fact.  They're not going to be like "oh phooey, I died again.  Oh well!"  People get frustrated.  They want to win.  if they were to over moderate here, there would BE no community, people would go out to reddit where they can be as buttholish as they want to be.

 

 

Successful alpha types would not be playing games, they are too busy and tired from real life.  Game communities tend to attract real life losers, looking to vent their frustrations on the game.

 

 


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View PostEisennagel, on 30 April 2017 - 03:15 AM, said:

Game communities tend to attract real life losers, looking to vent their frustrations on the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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View PostJudge_Doom, on 30 April 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

 

Its not a matter of 'over moderation', it IS a matter of just doing some moderation.  You yourself I am sure have witnessed how some of the threads go, they fall apart in a heart beat and then continue on a down hill slide and what is the response from the Moderators...crickets...,while those are the most toxic and do it on a regular basis continue to get away with it.  Moderators do not have to over moderate, they simply have to do some moderating

 

Agree!!! There seems to be no rhyme or reason to moderation on here.  When someone has 90% of their posts a constant stream of personal attacks and negative garbage, it is amazing that they are still allowed to post.  Niko has stated the rules for this forum and the moderator seems to ignore him. 

 

There's been responses to posts like "your preaching to people that don't come onto the forum" or something close to that.  There's a good reason for that.  All of the personal attacks and constant stream of negative could be one reason why they don't come here.  It's a shame because there are some fantastic contributors who are trying to make the site better regardless of those few that are trying to destroy the site and drive people away.

 

It could also be a sign of the times we are currently living in.....disagree with someone and it either gets violent or you are silenced. 

 

I don't care how much money someone has spent here.  If 90% of your posts are personal attacks and negative garbage........you need to be removed from the forum for a short spell and seek psychiatric help.



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Stay positive and try not to let others influence how you feel about the game.I saw that you had a lot of fun with the Clash of Elements, posting some mock trash talk, and a series of "fiery foxes". Look for similar ways to stay engaged and have fun.

 

I think that, as others have said, the toxicity on the forums is more due to frustration than real nasty attitudes. Hang in there. A good portion of this "community" is level-headed and friendly. There will always be some level of toxicity on an anonymous forum. Don't let it get to you.


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View PostKitsunelegend, on 29 April 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

Please keep in mind, before continuing, that I'm writing this while both stressed out and sleep deprived, so if something doesn't make sense, or seems off or is spelled incorrectly and I use improper grammar, thats probably why.

 

Lately I've noticed an increasing trend among this community, from all sides. From the normal forum users, to the community contributors, to some of the more well known forum goers, where it seems to me at least, that a very bad level of toxicity is taking over, especially when talking about anything regarding stats, be it from ship stats, to server stats, to personal stats...

 

People are becoming very salty about losing a couple games in a row. They're seemingly so caught up in ship stats and trying to make sure ships are always able to win a 1v1 against their own class, to worrying about their own personal stats and trying to use them as a means of bragging...I'm not at all saying this is a bad thing, but lately I've noticed it seems to be getting out of control.

 

People seem to be playing this game to be the best at it. To be super competitive against the best. To be "MLG" or something. What ever happened to just playing the game because "hey! Thats a famous battleship!" Or "hey! I love cruisers cause they were the work horses of X navy!" or "I play CVs because I like naval aviation!" 

 

People seem so caught up on playing their stats and not actually playing the game. They're missing the whole point of this game by doing this, and what it means to have a community that we used to have.

 

Back in CBT, I saw people who enjoyed the game because X ship was in the game. This is what I mean. Not too many people seemed to really care all that much about stats. They didn't really seem to worry about having purple stat cards or anything like that, not to say they didn't try to play their best. They still tried to play for the win of course, like anyone should, but if they made a mistake that got them sunk, or they messed up and ended up losing because of it, they went "oh well, shite happens =P" then they went off into the next game and enjoyed blowing things up. They didn't let it get to them.

 

I'm worried this community is losing site of what made it so much better than WoT. I'm worried this community is becoming what it feared most....there are still some amazing individuals around, who go out of their way to help others. There are still some who play the game only because they enjoy naval history. But for the most part, players are getting much more upset, much more salty, much more...angry...and over all negative lately...

 

I know I seem like I'm rambling...but things that have happened recently in my life...from a very close family member having a cancer scare, nearly losing another family member, to actually losing a childhood friend to a drug overdose of all things, and to having to deal with major health issues of my own... its put things into perspective for me...its shown just how negative this community has become lately...

 

And I'm scared....I'm scared, because it feels like its driving me away... I try to be care free and let it slide...I try to just enjoy this game because "yay floaty botes!" but its just....draining me...on top of everything else...

 

I'm scared...because I don't want to lose what I consider my second home... I may not show it at times...but I hold a LOT of you guys as close friends...even if I don't tell you...or we've never played together, or never spoke on comms... I don't want to lose what we once were...

 

 

This is your very worried and scare local kitsune...signing off...

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12v12 Environment, where a random moron can heavily influence if a team wins or loses, yeah there is going to be toxicity, and i welcome it for as long as these idiots play a factor in my win rate.

 

 


 

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View PostaAkula, on 30 April 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

12v12 Environment, where a random moron can heavily influence if a team wins or loses, yeah there is going to be toxicity, and i welcome it for as long as these idiots play a factor in my win rate.

 

 

 

I don't wish to insult you, but that right there can show why the game is getting more Toxic. Stat-minding. Welcoming toxicity. Name-calling. Self-superiority. Toxicity brings out the worst in others- I love this community. I respect it, it's one of the places that is dignified in the internet world and I am honored to be part of it and I try my best to stay at my best behavior on it. (Which is not saying much, being a "Young 'un") But in other communities, where people moderate themselves less, the worse side of me tends to slip out. 

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View PostEisennagel, on 30 April 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

 

 

Successful alpha types would not be playing games, they are too busy and tired from real life.  Game communities tend to attract real life losers, looking to vent their frustrations on the game.

 

 

 

As a real-life loser, I concur. :trollface:

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