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InclinedToRun #1 Posted 11 April 2017 - 03:17 PM

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Now I'm going to preface this topic with a bit of background.  I love the Pensacola, I love the guns, and the maneuverability.  I even do above average in most games with it, but there is one thing which I know isn't going to be changed, the armor.  Now, I am not the player who shows broadside all game, and I stay rather angled most of the time.  I just wish that there was some sort of skill related thing you could do to avoid damage, the most you can do is turn as quickly as possible, but still when one shell from a battleship hits you, 5 times out of 10 you will get citadelled no matter the angle.  I understand this is a feature unlikely to be changed, and I know that most people have to deal with it, but it is fairly frustrating when at 15 km you dodge all BB shells except for one, and you loose 13k-14k hp.

 

     Now, I have one question, is there anything you can do to avoid the seemingly inevitable citadels?

 


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Lert #2 Posted 11 April 2017 - 03:30 PM

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Make sure you're not the juiciest target available, and / or ensure the red battleships have other things to worry about than a lone Pensacola pewpewing them.

 

Though, truth be told, Pensacola is one of the juiciest targets in the game, so the above tip isn't that helpful. Softness is the price to pay for having USN 8" at tier 7.


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Hide behind a target that is easier to hit, most enemies will fire at your shield rather than at you.

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crzyhawk #4 Posted 11 April 2017 - 03:53 PM

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Let's not pretend that USN 8-inch is miles better than anyone else's 8-inch at T7.  It's got what is it, 5 degrees better auto-bounce angles?  Velocity is OK, if not spectacular, damage is average.  the fact is, Pensacola is more comparable in performance to the T6 ships in game than it is to the T7s.  If they were to ever give Yorck the option to mount 203mm guns, Pensacola would be in the T7 basement again.


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pcola is all about dancing at range to avoid getting hit.      it is that agility with good situation awareness that is the key to success.   and you will need that skill as you move up 

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View Postcentarina, on 11 April 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

it is that agility with good situation awareness that is the key to success.

 

Like getting chased around an island on Two Brothers by an Atago... I shot straighter, he lost, my Pensy won...

 

FIRST GAME out in a Pensacola.

 

First impressions matter a lot; I'd heard how bad it was, but that first game cemented in my mind that I like Pensy. I may do terrible in it most of the other games I ever play, but I still like it. NO and Baltimore have been sold and long forgotten, Pensy is there to stay.


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ForgMaxtor #7 Posted 11 April 2017 - 05:22 PM

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 11 April 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

Let's not pretend that USN 8-inch is miles better than anyone else's 8-inch at T7.  It's got what is it, 5 degrees better auto-bounce angles? 

 

It's a fair bit more than 5 degrees.  The auto-ricochet threshold for most AP shells is 60 degrees.  For USN 8" it's 67.5 degrees.  7.5 > 5, albiet not hugely so.  However, this is only part of the story.

 

The "possible ricochet band" for most AP shells is from 60 degrees - 45 degrees.  Ricochet chance gradually rises through this band, being nearly zero chance of ricochet at 45.1 degrees,  to nearly 100% chance of ricochet at 59.9 degrees.  At 45 degrees impact angle or below, ricochets never occur (though obviously if the armor is thick enough, the shell can still fail to pen).

 

In contrast, for USN 8", the "possible ricochet band" is very narrow -- only from 67.7 degrees - 60 degrees.  At 60 degrees or less, USN 8" AP never ricochets.  So measured at the "assured no ricochet threshold", USN AP has a full 15 degree advantage over other 8" AP shells.

 

I do however agree that the USN 8' AP advantage isn't as big a deal as it's sometimes made out to be.  It's nice, but it's really only an edge.  Fact of the matter is, the 8" HE for pretty much all CAs does very solid damage against most targets at any aspect, so non-USN CAs aren't losing a lot of damage potential by being able to pen with AP over a somewhat narrower aspect band.


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AJTP89 #8 Posted 11 April 2017 - 06:07 PM

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The concealment is what you have going for you. 10.9km with captain skill and camo. Your job is to jump unsuspecting cruisers, most of them don't respect the pensi...at least before you light them up for multiple citadels. Then it's duck and dodge in and out of sight and cover, shooting as you go. Your port guys probably have to replace the rudder after every game you use it so much. AP everybody. Cruisers and broadside battleships. 5K salvos at the upper belt of a BB is going to get their attention.

As you said, you can't angle. The pensa is a 2 shot ship. You can survive 2 salvos, then you're dead. So don't get hit. Maneuver and hide, as above. I have angled perfectly against BBs, didn't matter a bit. I still died. The only advice I can give you is don't get hit, because when you do, it's going to hurt.

Is the pensa fixed, I don't think so. The ROF is a bit slow. I have to run the turret traverse mod to keep the guns turning with the ship. 15.8 reload is a bit slow. I think maybe a drop to 14s stock wouldn't be bad. Then you'd have a paper cruiser with great concealment and guns. I find the pensa fun, as I'm always moving, picking my shots on the best target. I think it rewards a good player, but is very unforgiving of mistakes (although I ran aground the other day in front to the red guys, and somehow survived)



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View Postcrzyhawk, on 11 April 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

Let's not pretend that USN 8-inch is miles better than anyone else's 8-inch at T7.  It's got what is it, 5 degrees better auto-bounce angles?

 

I don't have the exact numbers here, but I believe it's closer to 10 or 15. Still, it's a significant thing and can (and regularly does) mean the difference between harmlessly bouncing and pen'ing. It's the best 203mm in tier.

 

View Postcrzyhawk, on 11 April 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

If they were to ever give Yorck the option to mount 203mm guns, Pensacola would be in the T7 basement again.

 

Yorck has 210mm which has its own problems. Personally I prefer German 203mm AP over USN 203mm AP, but the USN 203mm is 1) available a tier earlier and 2) overall the better all-round gun by having a viable HE shell.


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crzyhawk #10 Posted 11 April 2017 - 07:40 PM

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Right, my problem with the Pensacola is the t6-esque performance.  At some point, you can't just boost the ROF to make a ship have decent performance.  I think the NOLA shows that.  Pensacola is a poor treaty cruiser, in a tier with mostly decent treaty cruisers.  NOLA suffers from being a legal treaty cruiser in a tier of egregious treaty violators.

 

rather than buff the ROF (which did not move her out of the basement of T8), Nola should be dropped to T7.  She's roughly comparable to the Algerie, as "best in type" treaty cruisers.  Pensacola should be dropped to T6 (and made premium).  Her alpha damage is lower than Graf Spee's (and she has no torps).  Her DPM is slightly superior to Aoba (not factoring in Aoba's torps) with AP, and weaker with HE.

 

She's got a bit more hp than Aoba, less than Graf Spee.  With her lack of torps, she's a solid fit at T6 imo and I do not think would be overpowered at all.  In fact, I believe she'd end up no better than middle of the pack performance.  I think that the Leander, Perth, Molotov, and Budyonny would all be better.  Aoba and Pensacola would be about equal, and Nurnburg would bring up the rear.



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View PostLert, on 11 April 2017 - 01:25 PM, said:

Yorck has 210mm which has its own problems. Personally I prefer German 203mm AP over USN 203mm AP, but the USN 203mm is 1) available a tier earlier and 2) overall the better all-round gun by having a viable HE shell.

 

Right.  I think Yorck needs some love too.  While I personally like the ship, it's not as capable as the competition.  I think an option to mount Hipper's 203mm guns, even with a reduced ROF would be nice.  You can choose which playstyle you want, firestarter with the 210s, or citadel hunter with 203's.


SgtSullyC3 #12 Posted 11 April 2017 - 08:07 PM

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I also like Pensacola, the maneuverability is awesome and the guns are great. Squishy? Heck yes, I got double citadeled by a NC 20km away. While I was head on to him (a miracle that he hit me at all lol). But if you angle, you can avoid getting citadeled by cruiser/DD AP. I really like the ship, especially since it gets a reputation for being a piece of crap - which newbies assume extends to every aspect of her, not just the guns. I saw an NC in mine - 9km away, full broadside, firing at my allies BBs 13km behind him. I had a feeling about him when he looked at me (my heart stopped) and then looked away and went back to firing at my allies. I ended up parking full broadside to him at a standstill and plinking away at him with AP for several minutes - farmed over 50K damage on him. He didn't fire a single round at me. Pensacolas often get ignored because people go, "Oooh, a Pepsican! I hear it's a piece of junk! I'll just ignore it!". Just stick with allies and you won't get focused on too much, especially if your allies happen to e just as squishy or even squishier than you (I.e British CLs). It's a ton of fun to ignore all the crap in chat about Pensacola being awful and coming off top of the team.

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I just know that the Pensacola can citadel a Fuso at close range. Which is good enough for me. 

 

That same battle I did 91k damage, and finished with 817 healh (all skill, no luck).

 

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Exciton8964 #14 Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:53 PM

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Most of pensacola is covered by 25mm armor or less. That means you are practically overmatched by T7 and above BB shells everywhere. Angling your armor won't do too much.

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View PostExciton8964, on 12 April 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

Most of pensacola is covered by 25mm armor or less. That means you are practically overmatched by T7 and above BB shells everywhere. Angling your armor won't do too much.

Most of the ship is covered in 16mm plates....
 

As SgtSullyS3 said, the maneuverability is awesome. 

You are certainly more reliant on dodging and using WSAD. 

Also, with a 10 point captain who has CE, and a camo, the detection range is like 10.9 (I think this was said earlier too). And at that kind of range, the 203mm guns do a ton of damage. 

 

Shes such a good ship. 


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View PostInclinedToRun, on 11 April 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

 I just wish that there was some sort of skill related thing you could do to avoid damage,

 

Yes...  dont we all....

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View PostViper101, on 12 April 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

I just know that the Pensacola can citadel a Fuso at close range. Which is good enough for me. 

 

That same battle I did 91k damage, and finished with 817 healh (all skill, no luck).

 

Being in the pensa is like being in the perfect relationship with the perfect person, except every 5 minutes, they punch you in the face. 

 

did that yesterday for 9k damage.

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Have had some really good games in the pepsi, have been deleted before landing a shell as well.  Sold mine to pay for the Chappy, only because I have the Indy with radar

 



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USS Pensacola should have torps according to Wikipedia, look it up yourself. many other ships should have torps that don't. A fix is needed for this game to be more accurate.

 

 



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View PostZeno_the_Red, on 12 May 2017 - 02:14 AM, said:

USS Pensacola should have torps according to Wikipedia, look it up yourself. many other ships should have torps that don't. A fix is needed for this game to be more accurate.

There is no inaccuracy.  Pensacola's torpedoes tubes were removed shortly after she entered service and replaced with AA guns.  Unless you want the A hull to have almost zero AA, literally, in exchange for pathetically-weak and short-ranged torpedoes, is suggest you rethink your idea.


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