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CBSDracster #21 Posted 16 March 2017 - 01:56 PM

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If you want an eye opener, look at USS San Francisco, a New Orleans-class heavy cruiser, after the Battle of Guadalcanal, 13Nov42. Here's a teaser...22 fires.

 

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Very well done. In forums loaded with CV hate, troll threads and complaining this is certainly a breath of fresh air!

 

I wonder how much of a beating the Bismarck took lol.



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View PostCBSDracster, on 16 March 2017 - 08:56 AM, said:

If you want an eye opener, look at USS San Francisco, a New Orleans-class heavy cruiser, after the Battle of Guadalcanal, 13Nov42. Here's a teaser...22 fires.

 

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/w/war-damage-reports/uss-sanfrancisco-ca38-war-damage-report-no26.html

 

 

 

Ohhhh yeah, some of those USN cruisers were absolutely shredded in those battles. 

 

View Posthipcanuck, on 16 March 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

Very well done. In forums loaded with CV hate, troll threads and complaining this is certainly a breath of fresh air!

 

I wonder how much of a beating the Bismarck took lol.

 

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View PostPhoenix_jz, on 16 March 2017 - 10:05 PM, said:

 

Ohhhh yeah, some of those USN cruisers were absolutely shredded in those battles. 

 

 

That'd be an interesting one... soon many 33% pens, I bet!

Don't forget the torpedo he took! :P


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View PostPhoenix_jz, on 16 March 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

 

Thanks! I would definitely recommend Neptune's Inferno, by James D, Hornfischer. It's a great look at the overall naval actions around Guadalcanal, even if it does miss a few things.

 

Just read that last week and enjoyed it... sure felt bad for Atlanta though...

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Awesome Read phoenix . Thanks for that + 1 

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Let us not forget, SoDak was the best of all the Treaty Battleships. There is no denying that she and her sisters were incredibly well built. And I doubt any nation could've come close to extremely well balanced design she represented. Many ships after her sacrificed defense for better firepower,(Yamato, her armor scheme was good, her armor... not so much.) or defense for speed (Iowa), or firepower for defense (Bismarck). 

But the SoDak class was literally, the best blend of all these things. Incredibly good guns, put onto a VERY good armor scheme, adequate speed (She counts as a fast battleship by British standards because she hits 27kts.), and good mobility.

Let us not forget that she holds the record for the most planes shot down in the war and is one of America's most highly decorated Warships.

 

In all honesty, I am really looking forward to when she is added to the game. Alabama might not be much to go on since SoDak was unique compared to her sisters.

 

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Excellent, excellent write-up!  Really appreciate the effort you put into this!

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View Posthipcanuck, on 16 March 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

 

I wonder how much of a beating the Bismarck took lol.

 

View PostPhoenix_jz, on 16 March 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

 

That'd be an interesting one... soon many 33% pens, I bet!

 

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Don't forget the torpedo he took! :P

 

Actually 6, maybe 7, torpedoes.

 

- 3 Aerial (only the famous one is generally known)

- 3 from Dorsetshire

- 1 claimed from Rodney



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View PostHunter_Steel, on 16 March 2017 - 10:06 AM, said:

Let us not forget, SoDak was the best of all the Treaty Battleships. There is no denying that she and her sisters were incredibly well built. And I doubt any nation could've come close to extremely well balanced design she represented. Many ships after her sacrificed defense for better firepower,(Yamato, her armor scheme was good, her armor... not so much.) or defense for speed (Iowa), or firepower for defense (Bismarck). 

But the SoDak class was literally, the best blend of all these things. Incredibly good guns, put onto a VERY good armor scheme, adequate speed (She counts as a fast battleship by British standards because she hits 27kts.), and good mobility.

Let us not forget that she holds the record for the most planes shot down in the war and is one of America's most highly decorated Warships.

 

In all honesty, I am really looking forward to when she is added to the game. Alabama might not be much to go on since SoDak was unique compared to her sisters.

 

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I wouldn't get too excited - I'm quite sure WG is just going to plop in the South Dakota as a literal copy of the Alabama minus the TDS and maybe some better AA.

 

Don't expect it to be very different.


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View PostCBSDracster, on 17 March 2017 - 12:12 AM, said:

 

 

 

Actually 6, maybe 7, torpedoes.

 

- 3 Aerial (only the famous one is generally known)

- 3 from Dorsetshire

- 1 claimed from Rodney

I was thinking about the Rodney's. :P


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Unfortunately, I am limited by the weapons that exist in game.

For example, because we know the damage Washington's 16" AP would do depending on the hit, one could figure out the damage done to Kirishima. However, since we don't have the damage of, say, a British aerial torpedo, it's hard to say how much damage they'd do to a Bismark or Littorio.

 

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Great post, but I have to know, Why did you choose HE for some shells when they would have more then likely be AP in the game, and vice versa? Is it just to add damage or what? Realistically it would of been one type (most likely AP as far as our game goes) but in game would show most of the 14"s being AP and the 8"s and probably anything smaller would be mostly HE on a BB. Not trying to discredit this, just trying to understand the reasoning.

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View PostGranitebeard, on 16 March 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

Great post, but I have to know, Why did you choose HE for some shells when they would have more then likely be AP in the game, and vice versa? Is it just to add damage or what? Realistically it would of been one type (most likely AP as far as our game goes) but in game would show most of the 14"s being AP and the 8"s and probably anything smaller would be mostly HE on a BB. Not trying to discredit this, just trying to understand the reasoning.

 

I didn't choose the shells that hit. The types used were what type were fired, and where they hit, in the battle. The 14" HE hit on South Dakota's belt isn't HE because I decided it should be HE and not AP, it's HE because that's the type of shell that hit her belt in the battle. :)

 

What I've done is basically translate the damage South Dakota received into the game's method of damage. None of the impacts or shell types used were my choice/decision, but rather they shell types that actually hit her in the battle.

 

 


 

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View PostHunter_Steel, on 16 March 2017 - 09:06 AM, said:

Let us not forget, SoDak was the best of all the Treaty Battleships. There is no denying that she and her sisters were incredibly well built. And I doubt any nation could've come close to extremely well balanced design she represented. Many ships after her sacrificed defense for better firepower,(Yamato, her armor scheme was good, her armor... not so much.) or defense for speed (Iowa), or firepower for defense (Bismarck). 

But the SoDak class was literally, the best blend of all these things. Incredibly good guns, put onto a VERY good armor scheme, adequate speed (She counts as a fast battleship by British standards because she hits 27kts.), and good mobility.

Let us not forget that she holds the record for the most planes shot down in the war and is one of America's most highly decorated Warships.

 

In all honesty, I am really looking forward to when she is added to the game. Alabama might not be much to go on since SoDak was unique compared to her sisters.

 

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Bismarck was not a treaty battleship as the Germans did not attempt to fit her within the 35,000t weight limit. And she did not sacrifice firepower, the 15" rifles she used were literally the best naval rifles available to them. It's not like the German designers were sitting in a room saying "Right then, 15" guns or 16" guns? Well, we've used too much armor so I guess we'll have to settle for 15" guns" In fact, as designed Bismarck was originally meant to have 13" guns, so if anything her firepower was increased to the best available. The Germans sacrificed nothing, at least not intentionally.

 

I dont know how SODAKs armor scheme is "VERY good" when her belt was thinner than all other 1930s battleships and is also the only 1930s battleship with no internal longitudinal armor. Having said as much, her turret and deck armor is superb. You say Iowa sacrifices defense for Speed, dont SODAK and Iowa share the same armor scheme? Granted Iowa's belt is a whopping 3mm thinner and her main deck is 2mm thinner but Iowa's turret faces are 51mm thicker than SD's and Iowa's barbettes are 135mm thicker and Iowa's transverse bulkheads are 81mm thicker. In the end Iowa's armor advantages are pretty significant (51-135mm difference) where her disadvantages are hardly noticeable (2-4mm difference). Unless there's something I'm missing?


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Nicely done, OP.

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Very nice. 

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View PostCybrSlydr, on 16 March 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

I wouldn't get too excited - I'm quite sure WG is just going to plop in the South Dakota as a literal copy of the Alabama minus the TDS and maybe some better AA.

 

Don't expect it to be very different.

 

Not that most people would find it very exciting but I would like to see the middle hull have the unusual AA mix she had for a time with 20mm, 1.1" (28mm), and 40mm guns.

 

Of course AA would be much cooler to begin with if there were better visual effects.



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View PostCBSDracster, on 16 March 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

If you want an eye opener, look at USS San Francisco, a New Orleans-class heavy cruiser, after the Battle of Guadalcanal, 13Nov42. Here's a teaser...22 fires.

 

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/w/war-damage-reports/uss-sanfrancisco-ca38-war-damage-report-no26.html

 

 

 

Poor Quincy got the living crap beat out of her at Savo

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Perhaps you can do this with the Yamato and Mushashi and Tirp/Bismark. (They probably need more HP or you could bring the heal factor back in mind!)

This was really well done! More Please!!!







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