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Okhotnik Premium Ship Review Destroyer Tier 5 Russian Soviet

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LittleWhiteMouse #1 Posted 08 March 2017 - 08:23 PM

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While steps have been taken to ensure accuracy, Okhotnik was a work in progress at the time of testing. Please be aware that all of the statistics and performance discussed here are subject to change before release.
 

HMS TOG II* eat your heart out.
 
Quick Summary:  A Viking long-ship.  A TOG II* in World of Warships form.  A fish story.  A destroyer that's happy to see you.  A meme waiting to happen.
Patch & Date Written: 0.6.1 - February 16th, 2017
Cost:  Undisclosed at the time of publication.
 
Closest in-Game Contemporary
Izyaslav, Tier 4 Russian Destroyer
Degree of Similarity: Clone / Sister-Ship / Related Class / Similar Role / Unique
Okhotnik feels like something that would be concocted if someone was trying to describe the Izyaslav in a fish story.  She's an exaggeration of the tier 4 Russian destroyer in almost every dimension (particularly length) while still keeping close enough to the source material.  She really should be a cruiser, but she's not.
 
PROs
  • Armed with seven (!) 130mm rifles, delivering a massive alpha strike potential per volley.
  • All guns can rotate 360º, allowing for easier re-engagement of targets from one side to the other.
  • Also armed with twelve (!) dorsally mounted (!!) torpedo tubes divided between four launchers.
  • Fast reload time on her torpedoes of 47s per launcher.
  • Her torpedoes provide some of the shortest reaction-time for her opponents with a mere 1.0km detection range.  This gives targets about 6s to respond.
  • Good concealment values for a ship of her length, with a 6.5km surface detection range while stock.
  • She looks absolutely hilarious.
CONs
  • Short ranged main battery with a reach of 9.2km
  • Horrible turret traverse of 5.5º per second.
  • Receives the 2.0km Soviet-destroyer stealth-tax to her surface detection range when she fires her main battery for a total penalty of +5.9km.
  • Her torpedoes are short ranged with restricted forward fire angles.
  • Pathetic AA armament and a big target for enemy aircraft -- because she's long.
  • Enormous turning circle of 730m and slow rotation speed of 6º per second.  Because long ship is long.
  • Heavy reliance on a significant number of Captain Skills to make the ship competitive and enjoyable.

 

Okhotnik makes me think of what would happen if you asked a small group of six year old children to design a destroyer and they each tried to one-up each other.

“My destroyer is going to have four guns and six torpedoes.”
“Yes, but MY destroyer is going to have FIVE guns and EIGHT torpedoes!”
 
By the time you get to the kid that designs Clemson, with her twelve torpedoes and six rifles, you know things are getting a bit out of hand. The Okhotnik is the next abomination to be conceived and you should probably stop the exercise there before someone reinvents the Kitakami.

This thing looks ridiculous. As a weapon system, Okhotnik looks as subtle as stuffing a brick into a sweat sock and swinging it around your head. It's cumbersome, awkward and things get horribly stretched out. It's also absolutely devastating when it lands a blow.
 
I normally reserve all accusatory judgments to the end of the article but I'll say this right from the start: Provided you've got a highly-experienced Captain at the helm with the right skills, you're going to love playing this thing.  Okhotnik is hilarious looking and a riot to play.  She can be an overpowered little monster in her current iteration and there's only a few checks in place to give her the illusion of balance.

Lert's joining me to show you how she compares directly to her competitors while I go over the nitty-gritty to explain how she can be used and abused.
 

The Lertbox

Mmh? ... I'm up. I'm awake, promise.

zzzz ....

What? Oh. Right. Okhotnik.

 

Okhotnik has a very distinct (and low) silhouette. This latter trait plays very much to her advantage, making her difficult to shoot.
 
Options
No surprises here.  Okhotnik uses the same three-tone camouflage scheme found on Imperator Nikolai I and Aurora.
 
Consumables:
  • Damage Control Party
  • Smoke Generator
  • Engine Boost

 

Module Upgrades: Three slots, standard destroyer options.
Premium Camouflage: Tier 2 to 5 Standard. This provides 30% bonus experience gains, 3% reduction in surface detection and 4% reduction in enemy accuracy.
 

As with most ships, you'll want to splurge on premium versions of consumables on an “as you can afford” basis. I strongly recommend taking a premium version of Okhotnik's Smoke Generator and Damage Control Party. A premium Engine Boost consumable is also nice to have, but it's not necessary.  For her module choices, it's the same picks you'll take for most destroyers.

 

  • For your first slot, Magazine Modification 1 is your best choice.  Your guns are fragile, though, so if being detonated doesn't bother you, then taking Main Armaments Modification 1 is a reasonable alternative.
  • In your second slot, you have a choice.  Aiming Systems Modification 1 is best.  This reduces your maximum dispersion by 7m at 11km... which isn't a lot, but it is preferable to assist with your torpedo traverse.  Alternatively, you can take Main Battery Modification 2 to increase your turret traverse but this comes at a minor loss to DPM.
  • And for your third slot, take whatever because they're all terrible.
 
Firepower
Primary Battery:  Seven 130mm rifles, two on the bow and five on the stern.  None of these guns are superfiring.
Torpedo Armament:  Twelve tubes in 4x3 launchers
 
Okhotnik naval rifles are the 130mm/55 B-7 and she gets a lot of them. This gun was first introduced to us last year with Krasny Krym, the modernized version of Svietlana. These are also found on Podvoisky, the new tier 5 Destroyer supplanting the Gnevny-class. They differ somewhat from the 130mm B-13s that are found on the higher tier Soviet destroyers. They have a slightly lower muzzle velocity and a worse penetrating shell.  These do the same 2,500 AP and 1,900 HE damage with an 8% fire chance. Okhotnik is very short ranged for a tier 5 destroyer at 9.2km, which helps keep her power level in check.

Okhotnik trades away DPM for alpha strike. A single broadside of all seven rifles lands for 4,389 HE damage when they penetrate an unsaturated target. This is one third of a tier 5 destroyer's health pool and amounts to a larger alpha strike per volley than the tier 7 Blyskawica. Landing hits like this made most of my opponents get all squirrely for some reason.  They often elected to disengage rather than press any DPM advantage they had over me. Of course, missing with one volley is more tragic in Okhotnik than other destroyers and poor gunnery will punish you especially hard. Make those shots count or reap the consequences.

Some of the negative traits of Okhotnik's guns will be very familiar to veterans of the Russian and Soviet Destroyer line. First of all, she has the same 2.0km “stealth tax” when firing her guns. Instead of receiving a nominal 3.9km surface detection penalty (gun calibre x 0.3km), Okhotnik gains 5.9km of surface detection range when shooting. This precludes her from ever being able to fire from stealth short of lobbing shells from smoke or behind an island. She also shares the horrible gun traverse rate of the Gnevny-class. It takes her almost 33s to traverse her guns 180º which is downright appalling. However, you might not notice it as much given Okhotnik's handling, but more on that later. The good news is that Okhotnik compensates for this by having a 360º rotation on all of her guns.
 
Okhotnik has next to no deck clutter. What's more, her guns aren't mounted in partially or fully enclosed turrets. Heck, they don't even have gun shields. So while her guns may not be mounted in a superfiring configuration, it's surprising how many you can bring to bear. All seven rifles can be aimed at targets 30º off her bow to either side. More surprising is that gun #2 can fire through gun #1. Yeah. Weird. This gives you two rifles that can shoot directly forward but only one gun can shoot directly astern.  As you'll often be tacking towards or away from your targets at an angle, you'll often only need to adjust your heading by a little to bring all of your guns to bear.

Torpedoes
Okhotnik's torpedoes are almost as hilarious as her gun mounts. She has four triple launchers, mounted dorsally. She can dump a broadside of 12 torpedoes at a target at once. This is a feat that isn't matched until the Shimakaze at tier 10. These “walls of skill” are an absolute nightmare for enemies to try to avoid and it's not uncommon to see players freeze in the face of the approaching doom. The only thing that keeps this balanced is the horrible performance of the torpedoes.

Okhotnik's fish are unique currently. They have a 13,667 maximum damage listing which isn't bad for a tier 5 destroyer (especially not one that can spit out twelve of the little blighters). They're very quick too, traveling at 62 knots with a 1.0km surface detection range, giving opponents a mere 6.1s worth of reaction time when their death approaches. Worse, these things can be veritably spammed with their 47s reload per launcher. With their respectable damage output, Okhotnik can keep tubes in reserve, launching only what's needed and keeping others on hand for a follow up target. The only thing gives these things a modicum of balance (and only just) is their short range of 4.5km.

Her torpedoes are one of the most unbalanced features about Okhotnik, and if she were any faster they would be horribly overpowered. With the ability to get the ship's surface detection range down to 5.7km with Concealment Expert, Okhotnik can sprint the last 1.2km she needs to dump her fish against a chosen target in as little as 13 seconds against a ship running a perpendicular course. This isn't a lot of time to react to the ambush. The only fly in the ointment here is that Okhotnik doesn't have very good forward torpedo arcs as her first three launchers are sandwiched in between the fore and after superstructure and funnels so it will require her to manoeuvre to swing out her weapons.

Expect to see a lot of spectacular suicide torpedo runs and close-range island ambushes in this boat paying big dividends.
 

Rivals:  Gremyashchy

Lert:  Gremyashchy is faster and has more range. She has better torpedoes, turns better and can fire from stealth in open water. She'll be spotted before Okhotnik is though, and if you catch a Gremy with its pants down you can smash him in the face with superior alpha strike, giving you the edge in the DPM fight that follows. Be wary of Gremy's torpedoes, which have twice the range of yours. Always be wary of potential torps and maneuver accordingly, you don't have the agility to dodge torpedoes you didn't expect. If Gremyashchy comes within 4km, flood the ocean with metal fishes, though a smart Gremy driver will avoid this situation.

 

Try to control the engagement, difficult as it seems versus a ship that is faster and turns better than you. Keep the pressure on him, and you might come out of this engagement still floating. It's very important to get that first strike in though, and your superior stealth helps in this regard. Even then, it's an uphill battle and a savvy Gremyashchy driver will use his speed and agility to try and dictate the fight. Okhotnik is good, but it doesn't challenge Gremy's crown of best Russian destroyer at tier 5.

 

Wall of skill deployed.
 
Manoeuvrability
Top Speed: 34.5 knots
Turning Radius: 730m
Rudder Shift Time: 3.2s
 
So here's where the bad news lies, and it's all in one trait, really.  Okhotnik has a lower-than-average top speed and decent rudder shift.  But where she really hurts is her turning radius, which is comparable to that of a Battleship.  This is to be expected given her length.  It takes Okhotnik just over 15 seconds to make a 90º turn and almost a minute to rotate 360º, slowing down to 28.9 knots with her rudder hard over.  For comparison, a Farragut can make the same 90º turn in 11 seconds and the full rotation in 43.  Okhotnik just doesn't answer her rudder quickly.
 
This makes her rather vulnerable to enemy torpedoes as you can well imagine.  Torpedo bombers are a particular weakness of Okhotnik's, as she has a rather large surface detection range for a destroyer while simultaneously having pathetic AA power (more on that later).  The length of her hull only exacerbates the problem of avoiding these waterborne warheads.
 
Still, even with this sluggish handling, she's still capable of out turning her even more sluggish turret traverse (6º ship turn, 5.5º turret traverse).  Thankfully, her 360º turret rotation more than makes up for this.
 
Okhotnik's lack of agility also makes dodging incoming fire a little more challenging.  However, her low profile does maker her a difficult target to land reliable hits against, especially at range. 
 
Durability
Hit Points: 12,700
Maximum Protection: 16mm
Min Bow & Deck Armour: 10mm
 
Okhotnik has a slightly-more-than-average hit points total for a tier 5 destroyer, but nothing to get too excited about.  Her exposed main battery mounts have only 6mm of armour protection but they can absorb just as much damage as the weapons on other DDs.  Still, expect HE splashes from large caliber guns to disable and destroy these vulnerable weapons regularly.
 
With the length of her hull, it's important to keep incoming AP shell penetration mechanics in mind.  Shots that strike her broadside are likely to over penetrate while those that travel the length of the ship are more likely to result in full penetration damage.  Be careful on your approaches against Battleships.  This makes the Captain Skill, Priority Target, worth it's weight in gold.  Pay attention to what ships are shooting at you and with what ammunition types to best protect yourself.
 

Rivals:  Nicholas

Lert:  The American fighting lady has a hit point advantage, superior gun DPM, better range, better speed and is more agile. Her torpedo armament is arguably weaker than yours by volume and damage output, though not by range. This theoretical duel will depend greatly on who gets the initiative. Although she's faster, Nicholas has slightly worse detection than you, giving you a small advantage here. Make sure your first salvo hits, and hits hard. This will give you an advantage that you need to press.

 

If Nicholas makes a mistake and comes close enough, perhaps to try and launch her torpedoes, make sure you close the gap and get your wall of skill in the water to crush her. Your volume of fish will mean no escape if the Nicholas makes the mistake of coming within 4km. Still, this is an uphill battle that depends greatly on who takes the initiative.

 
Concealment & Camouflage
Surface Detection Range: 6.5km
Air Detection Range: 4.3km
Minimum Surface Detection Range: 5.7km
Concealment Penalty while Firing: +5.9km (vs 9.2km gun range)
 
I dunno what they were thinking here.

Okhotnik is an enormous destroyer, yet she has better concealment values than Gremyashchy, Gnevny, Podvoisky, Nicholas and T-22.  Her enormity is in one dimension only, however, and that may explain why she gets such a generous surface detection range.  Okhotnik sits very low in the water, with her raised forward bow section lower than that of the Kamikaze-class and her bridge being much lower still.  Within her Matchmaking spread, from tiers 4 through 7, only the IJN Destroyers Isokaze, Minekaze, Kamikaze, Mutsuki and the tier 4 German V-170 have a better surface detection range.  Short of being sniffed out by aircraft or tripping over one of these ships, Okhotnik is going to see her opponents before being detected in turn.  
 
This is good news for the Russian Destroyer given the short range of her weapon systems.  She is utterly incapable of firing either her torpedoes or her guns without being detected by her enemies.  Every time you pull the trigger, you're putting your ship in harm's way.  
 
One of the few balancing measures for Okhotnik shows up here with her very large detection range from the air.  She's spotted 4.3km out, which is closer to the range you would expect for a destroyer-leader like the Tenryu or Yubari.
 

Okhotnik moored alongside a reference-Minekaze.  You can very clearly see the difference in length and height between the two images.
 
Anti-Aircraft Defense
AA Battery Calibers: 76.2mm / 7.62mm
AA Umbrella Ranges: 3.0km / 1.0km
AA DPS per Aura: 3 / 7
 
Ha-ha, who are you kidding?  Okhotnik is dangerously vulnerable to aircraft and should be made a priority target by any CV that spots her on the team line up.  Her long keel and horrible turning radius makes her a juicy target for torpedo planes though she is rather slender, making her a harder target for dive bombers.  This is one of the few destroyers where you can safely keep her AA turned on at all times as their range is actually shorter than her aerial detection range.

 

Rivals: Minekaze

Lert:  She's stealthier than you, faster than you, more agile than you and can fire torpedoes from outside her detection range. In Minekaze's ideal hypothetical scenario, you'll never see him coming and the first notice you have of him being near is the Sixth Sense warning icon appearing on the screen. Expect torpedoes in the water, and turn towards where you suspect he is.

 

The concealment difference between the two is only 100 meters base, so if you guessed right, you'll be able to spot him once you make your turn. Smack him upside the head with a devastating volley and hope he doesn't just turn and run, in which case you'll never catch him. Any Minekaze driver worth his salt knows he'll never win a gunnery duel with a Russian gunboat, and will not engage in one if he has any say.

 
Skills to Beat Sneaker wearing Hedgehogs
Okhotnik has a real dependence on Captain Skills to make her an enjoyable and effective destroyer. Arguably, most destroyers manage this level of competitiveness with 10 skill points -- when they unlock Concealment Expert. This makes Okhotnik very much a late bloomer.
 
Whether a player considers her powerful will largely depend on the skills available to their Captain.  While there's always some mutability in skill choice between players, the five skills below should be considered “must haves” for Okhotnik.  As a trainer for your Soviet Captains, this dependence on certain skills can make Okhotnik ill suited to performing optimally with skills that run contrary to this recommended build.

Priority Target (tier one)
Okhotnik cannot engage enemies without being seen herself, short of abusing island and smoke cover. These forms of concealment will not always be readily available, so it's important to know when it's safe to pull the trigger and when you should go gun-silent to preserve your hit points. Due to Okhotnik's middling speed and manoeuvrability, dodging fire isn't as viable as dropping off the radar and disappearing. Knowing when you can continue pulling the trigger safely and when you should probably disengage will help keep this ship in the game.  This can also allow you to know when it's safer to attempt a point blank torpedo drop.

Expert Marksman (tier two)
During play-testing, Okhotnik was shackled with the same awful turret traverse with which Gremyashchy was originally introduced. This 5.5º per second rotation didn't feel as limiting for this destroyer though. The reason was simple enough -- unlike Gremyashchy, Okhotnik could only turn the ship itself at 6º per second. So while she could out turn her turrets, it wasn't to such a dramatic degree as the original Soviet Premium Destroyer.

So Okhotnik's turret traverse doesn't feel as punitive as Gremyashchy's did while the ship is under manoeuvres. However, Okhotnik struggles to use her rudder to help bring her guns to bear on a new target. To this end, Expert Marksman is a very important skill to help her re-engage targets quickly.

Without this skill, Okhotnik is still playable though switching sides with her guns takes a very long time (as much as 33 seconds).  This said, having a 360º rotation on her turrets will help some, at least with tracking a new target.  Thus, this should be the last skill you pick up.

Last Stand (tier two)
You're a destroyer, and one that cannot stealth-fire at targets. It's safe to assume your steering and rudder will be knocked out regularly. Take this one on your first pass through the skill list.

Concealment Expert (tier four)
Take this as your first tier four skill. 
 
This may seem like a no-brainer. There are very few destroyers in the game where Concealment Expert doesn't provide a tremendous bonus to their effectiveness. Okhotnik isn't special this way by any means, but it's worth paying special attention why she gains from this skill. With camouflage, this drops her surface detection range from 6.3km to 5.7km. This does not allow Okhotnik to torpedo without being detected or to fire from stealth in open water, even with Advanced Fire Training . With this in mind, some players may be outright dismissive of the necessity of this skill, but it shouldn't be skipped over.

With Concealment Expert, Okhotnik gains the ability to spot other gunships before she herself is detected. Provided her turrets are properly aligned, this all but guarantees her to get off the first volley of shells. As Okhotnik focuses on alpha strike and not DPM with her guns, this can mean the difference between clinching an engagement with that first strike or being on the back foot every time she meets another destroyer.
 
Finally, when things do go south (and they will), it provides an additional 600m distance buffer to allow you to drop back into stealth when you silence your guns.

Advanced Fire Training (tier four)
One of Okhotnik's biggest flaws is the short range of her main battery. Her 9.2km stock range may seem like a nuisance at first, but it works considerably to the detriment of the ship when it comes to engaging capital ships. Advanced Fire Training opens Okhotnik's range up to 11km and the importance of this range increase cannot be understated. Her guns, with their good ballistic qualities, are still very accurate to this range.

Okhotnik shares a low surface profile, similar to the German V-170. With almost no deck structures, hitting Okhotnik with main battery fire is a challenge. The more range you can open up between yourself and your targets, the safer Okhotnik becomes. While you can never remove the threat of return fire in Okhotnik, you can make it so annoying to shoot her that opponents elect to fire somewhere else.

So if you intend to use Okhotnik to abuse larger ships, this skill is almost a must. This should be acquired as soon as you have Concealment Expert.

Final Note on Captain Skills
If you've done the math, you'll note that with taking only a single tier 3 skill, this adds up to 16pt Captain. The only real variety and choice for Okhotnik comes in with her tier 3 skills and there are a lot of good options there. I personally prefer taking Basic Fire Training as my primary skill at tier 3 and Demolition Expert as a follow up.  Decent alternative skills include Survivability Expert and Superintendent.
 
I firmly believe that a 14pt Captain is really needed to enjoy this ship, though 16pts is ideal.  When combined with the inflexibility of skill choices, her uses as a Soviet training ship are much more limited.
 
 
Skills should be taken in this order:
  • Priority Target
  • Last Stand
  • Basic Fire Training (or tier 3 skill of choice)
  • Concealment Expert
  • Advanced Fire Training
  • Demolition Expert (or tier 3 skill of choice)
  • Expert Marksman

 

Inertial Fuse for HE Shells

Okhotnik doesn't need to take the tier 4 skill, Inertial Fuse for HE Shells. Her 130mm rifles are capable of penetration up to 21mm of armour without it. When she's top tier, short of the belt armour and turrets of larger warships, there are very few sections of any ships she cannot damage directly. If you can scrounge the points for it, this will give her the ability to extend this ability to penetrate all targets just about everywhere up through tier 6 and 7 battleships and some of the IJN and German Cruisers at tiers 6+.

The only problem with taking this skill is finding the points necessary to afford it. The easiest place to acquire them would be to drop a tier 3 and a tier 2 skill to shoe horn this into your build. Alternatively, you could drop Concealment Expert, but this would prevent you from being able to effectively engage enemy destroyers.

Alternative IFHE Bombardment:
Build One:  http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1100000000000001000000100010100119
Build Two:  http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1000000000100001000010100010100019

 

Aircraft carriers should make taking this destroyer out a priority. However, they need to switch up the tools they use to do so. Torpedo bombers are very effective against this clumsy ship. 
 

Overall Impressions

Skill Floor: Simple / Casual / Challenging / Difficult
Skill Ceiling: Low / Moderate / High / Extreme
 
As far as destroyers go, Okhotnik is pretty forgiving but only with the right Captain Skill choices. Properly set up, she can hide from anything she can't outfight and barring tripping over a Belfast or Atlanta, she can outfight anything from which she can't hide. She's always going to be detected when you engage enemy targets, so there's no fussy stealth-firing calculations to make. You can blindly rush unwary capital ships and make their lives miserable with a suicide torp-wall of doom and they're equally effective at deterring enemy destroyers from knife fighting. About the only bad trait about her for inexperienced or novice players is her horrible handling but don't let that stop you.

But again, that's contingent on having the right skills to optimize this destroyer's strengths. Without the right setup, novice players may find this ship frustrating.

For veterans and skilled players, Okhotnik is going to be a little monster. The damage this ship can put out demands a lot of respect and her base concealment rating allows players to control the engagement. Her ability to deliver sudden and massive alpha strikes with her torpedoes and guns will put many inexperienced opponents on their back foot right from the word go and allow Okhotnik to bully with ease.
 

The Lertbox - Final Words

Okhotnik struggles against same tier opponents in theoretical 1v1s. If you only read my three comparisons you might get the idea that she sucks. However, that's only if the opponent presses their advantage and pursues the engagement. Plus, Okhotnik is unrivaled in delivering apocalyptic devastating ambushes versus battleships - in a training room I was able to reliably one-shot (stationary and unarmed) Grosser Kurfuersts with her torpedo broadsides.

 

Versus other destroyers, she relies on smashing alpha strike from a situation of stealth. She relies on dissuading gunship destroyers from engaging her by biting their face off, without warning. Once so hit, the enemy destroyer driver may panic and try to disengage or smoke up, at which point you've got them. Against cooler heads though, you're on the defensive. Against destroyer drivers who aren't intimidated by your first salvo you've got your work cut out. Without the ROF to pummel them down or speed to disengage, you're facing an uphill battle.

 

I just don't think she's as OP as Mouse says. Time will tell though.

 
Mouse's Summary:
  • Longship is long.  It should come with Vikings.
  • She doesn't handle very well, but that didn't bother me.
  • Her torpeedus are amazing.  She's the perfect ship to dig out an enemy destroyers and cruisers hiding in smoke.
  • Why is she so stealthy!?

 

As far as Soviet-bias goes, Okhotnik isn't too bad -- she's only a little overpowered (like that's a good thing). Her performance is gated behind a combination of skills so not every Okhotnik is going to be awesome. She isn't unbalanced in the same manner as the Belfast. Her strengths are more well-rounded, with good guns, good torpedoes and good concealment without any gimmicks. This makes her strong without being dominating in a single arena.

A lot of focus will be put on her torpedoes as THE defining feature of what makes her so advantageous, but this would be a mistake. If her torpedoes had more range, then certainly, I could agree with that sentiment, but it's the combination of traits rather than any one single element that makes her overpowered. She has great stealth but she can't stealth fire. She has a great torpedo armament, but good luck getting those off against tier 7 ships. Her guns are hard hitting, but they're not going to let you knife fight an American destroyer that wants to fight back. You're not fast enough to get away from an Atlanta or Belfast that's running you down with radar. 
 
Okhotnik dances the fine line between risk and reward.  Aggressive players will love her.  Cautious players might not.

Okhotnik up-tiers rather well, having little trouble facing off against tier 6 opponents as well as she might against tier 5. It's only when the tier 7s appear, with higher velocity guns and ships like Belfast, Fiji and Atlanta, that she begins to feel a bit long in the tooth. Battleships also get faster and the maps are less claustrophobic making for fewer ambush-opportunities at close range. It's a testament that Okhotnik is at least a little more balanced than Gremyashchy which scarcely notices when she's up-tiered.

Okhotnik's strengths really lie with her concealment / alpha strike ability. With this, I could engage even tier 7 Kiev-class destroyers and remain confident of winning. It's not hard to land 6 or 7 shots when the engagement range begins at 6km and this initial 3,000 to 4,000 hammer blow into their hit points sets the tone for a winning battle. A second volley could often be delivered before the Kiev could bring all of her guns on target. It's no wonder most of them would try to smoke up and reset the engagement at this stage. It was often wise to blow my own smoke at the same time and back off if the Kiev had spotters in the area keeping me lit. If not, there was no harm in dropping a wall of skill into their smoke screen. Easy money.

I had a lot of fun playing Okhotnik; she surprised me. I admit, I took one look at this derpy boat and thought I'd hate it but she won me over. Once I dropped my Gremyashchy Captain into her, she took me for a ride and I was grinning the whole time.
 

Changes from Play Test

Okhotnik changed somewhat from the play test sessions I enjoyed to her release on live.  Two were minor and one was rather significant.  All of these changes have been considered and folded into the review already, so you don't need to back track and re-evaluate what was written.

 

  •  Okhotnik's turret rotation was buffed from 5º per second to 5.5º per second.
    Okhotnik's guns used to traverse with the same sluggish handling as Gremyashchy.  A large number of the Soviet Destroyers got a gun traverse buff with 0.6.2 and Okhotnik was no exception.
     
  •  Originally only Okhotnik's two forward turrets could rotate 360º.
    This is a minor change, really.  Now all five rear turrets can also rotate in a full circle.  Combined with the minor turret traverse buff, this is a nice quality of life change but again not too significant.
     
  •  Fire angles of the aft guns (except for the last one) is limited to +/- 30º off the ship axis.
    Now this one is a kicker and represents a more significant (but not terribly damaging) nerf.  Okhotnik's five rear guns used to be able to engage targets 20º off the forward or rear arcs of the ship.  Okhotnik already has a small profile and being able to aggressively angle her towards or away from a foe while firing five (rearward) or seven (forward) guns was pretty huge.  She doesn't have enough armour to auto-ricochet anything but a select few destroyer-caliber AP shells, but it did make her a much smaller target to bulls-eye.  The individual fire angles for the rear guns began as little as 16º off the bow (#7). 
 

Okhotnik belongs up front in an aggressive stance.  Use her excellent concealment values to spot for your team and screen them from attack.
 
Would I Recommend?
Players are spoiled for choice where Russian premiums are concerned.  Okhotnik competes directly with Leningrad (and for old, crusty veterans, Gremyashchy) for primacy among the Soviet Destroyers.  She's not as powerful as Gremyashchy, that's for sure, but she will be less expensive than Leningrad which may immediately appeal to some consumers.  Overall, I think Leningrad is the better boat for most of the reasons you'd buy a premium, but Okhotnik is definitely more fun (and stupid looking). 
 
  • For Random Battle Grinding
    This includes training captains, collecting free experience, earning credits and collecting signal flags from achievements.

Mouse:  Well, maybe. She can do very well in random battles, earning you credits and medals galore. I found it an easy feat to get three or four kills per match, which made unleashing the Kraken not too much of a stretch. The problem is that she's reliant upon having a Captain with the right skill combination to truly play efficiently. This precludes her use as a comfortable trainer for all but the last few skill points (and  you're completely out of luck if your skill choices don't gel with Okhotnik's needs) which sort of undermines the purpose of a premium ship. So your mileage will definitely vary. For me? I'd take her to farm achievements and Kraken medals.

Lert:  Maybe. She doesn't really need premium consumables to shine, but tier 5 is in a bad MM spot right now, and tier 5 premiums are not really the greatest captain trainers or credit earners. Tier 6 is where you really want to be for that, minimum. Plus, she relies on a set of advanced captain skills to really shine, which makes her less ideal as a captain trainer.
 
  • For Competitive Gaming
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Mouse:  Her concealment value alone will make her a good choice for competitive environments, especially combined with her ability to deliver high alpha, opportunistic strikes with her guns.   The only major downside is her lack of agility which makes her torpedo bait.  She cannot compete with Gremyashchy (what can?) but for people looking to pad their win rates, Okhotnik is a good ship.
Lert:  No. Too slow, too vulnerable to torpedo strikes, not agile enough. The only things she really has going for her is her stealth and initial alpha, which isn't enough in a competitive environment.

 
  • For Collectors
    If you enjoy ship history or possessing rare ships, this section is for you.

Mouse:  Ha!  No.  Okhotnik was never built in steel.
Lert:  This is a paper ship with no actual history behind her. She looks amazing though. If you're looking for historically significant ships, look elsewhere.

 
  • For Fun Factor
    Bottom line:  Is the ship fun to play? 
Mouse:  Very yes.  She's a party boat.
Lert: Yes. Alpha strike is fun. Driving odd ducks is fun. Ships with interesting playstyles are fun. Crushing battleships as they round the headland is fun. Okhotnik is fun.

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Whenever Mouse posts one of these:

 

 

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Odin! Guide our ships! Our axes, spears and swords!

Guide us through, storms that whip, and in brutal war!


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Image result for upvote gif plane  you know the angel of death from the AC-130s flares, let me introduce the upvote angel, but will it be a doubloon to get ship?

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I enjoyed Derzki.  This ship looks entertaining a.f.

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Once again another great review on an odd boat.


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Those guns... you know what i'll let sulu take this one

 

 


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Something I found on the SEA server website


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Great review as usual.

 

But ick.  Thing looks like a closed-deck canoe with warts.  If the game is going to have paper ships, I'd like them to be at least plausible.  What's next, the bathtub boats from April Fools 2016 released for general gameplay?



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The camo looks phenomenal tho

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View PostMrEndeavour, on 08 March 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

The camo looks phenomenal tho

 

Yeah. The ship didn't look long enough without horizontal stripes.

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...it's like KitKat but with guns. Just weirdly long with guns everywhere. 

 

I like it. Also wow I totally missed any word that this ship was in the works. Was it announced before this? 



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Maybe I am misunderstanding of the use of Preventive Maintenance but wouldn't that be better than Priority Target for a T1 choice?  I always assume folks are pointing at me as a DD so I always thought of PT as a waste.

 


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View PostSiegewolf, on 08 March 2017 - 09:17 PM, said:

Maybe I am misunderstanding of the use of Preventive Maintenance but wouldn't that be better than Priority Target for a T1 choice?  I always assume folks are pointing at me as a DD so I always thought of PT as a waste.

 

I think in this case with traverse being so bad it's worth it to know when you don't have to be swerving all over the place. That's my guess. 

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View PostSiegewolf, on 08 March 2017 - 04:17 PM, said:

Maybe I am misunderstanding of the use of Preventive Maintenance but wouldn't that be better than Priority Target for a T1 choice?  I always assume folks are pointing at me as a DD so I always thought of PT as a waste.

 

Okhotnik cannot fire her weapons without being spotted.  Knowing when you can continue shooting and when you need to silence your guns is huge.  Remember, her guns do not turn quickly and evasive maneuvers will lower her DPM, especially if you don't have Expert Marksman to accelerate their traverse.  Priority Target lets you maximize the time you're dishing out punishment. 

 

Also, Preventative Maintenance is a bit of a garbage skill for destroyers.  Loud noises will still wreck your steering gears and engine even with the skill.


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View PostSiegewolf, on 08 March 2017 - 09:17 PM, said:

I always assume folks are pointing at me as a DD so I always thought of PT as a waste.

 

Knowing how many people are aiming at me helps me decided whether to push on or disengage. Spotted but nobody aiming at me or spotted and 6 people aiming at me are two entirely different situations.

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View PostLittleWhiteMouse, on 08 March 2017 - 09:27 PM, said:

 

Also, Preventative Maintenance is a bit of a garbage skill for destroyers.  Loud noises will still wreck your steering gears and engine even with the skill.

 

Other CCs disagree on this.  Beyond the steering and engine, it also helps reduce the chance of guns & torps being incapacitated, which is a pretty big deal for destroyers IMHO.

 

I suppose you could argue though that Okhotnik has so many guns and torps that she can afford to lose a couple and keep fighting, so perhaps in her case PT is a better (first) 1-pt choice.


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Ah, thank you for the information.  Good to know as always.

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When pictures started showing up of this, i thought it was a joke.  Good to know i was right. 

 

Excellent review as always Mouse and Lert, my Yubari looks forward to the new challenger.


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