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Wyatt_DERP85 #1 Posted 07 March 2017 - 11:55 PM

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It's cool we are getting a new line. I don't know much about French cruisers, maybe I should do some research on my free time. What are you predicting that their national traits will be?



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Mik6669 #3 Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:08 AM

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Once we get into WWII era ships they'll have the unique trait of being able to use either French or German captains. 

_Marines #4 Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:27 AM

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My guess is that French cruisers will have weaker armour but higher speed. They might also have a flatter trajectory (like the Dunk) which makes APs very sharp and very OP.

 

I also personally hope that French cruisers have OP repairs, so players don't get sunk too often as Scharnhorst has greatly proliferated.:D



ckupf #5 Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:27 AM

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Slow ROF, good armor. Most similar to the USN.

 

 

I am going off of historical specs.

 

The heavy cruiser guns were 820 mps on the AP, which is okay but not great, the guns never hit the planned 6 RPM, and hung around 4-5 RPM. The tier 8 has armor more appropriate for a T9/10 which is nice.


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SeaKnight_1990 #7 Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:38 AM

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I'd have to say, guns are slow-firing but very punchy, armor is rather solid and makes for a brawling style, with the torpedoes enhancing this trait. 

 

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Slow_n_Low #8 Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:41 AM

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USA has to make fun of the French. Since there would be no USA without the French. USA knows this so must make fun of them as a reaction to not wanting to admit it.

 

Would like to see actual History buffs answer also.

 

 


 

 


Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper #9 Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:42 AM

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They will be like oversized Russian Destroyers.

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Haliberd #10 Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:20 AM

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I remember looking at the statistics for the Saint Louis a few months ago. They are probably going to be most similar to the Americans. 

 

Gun layouts are very similar to American Heavy cruisers in the 3x3 format. If I had to guess, they'll function well at most ranges (Unlike the American guns which have a rather floaty shell time, especially by tier 9 and 10) but with the layout I would presume they'll function best at close to mid range where the can angle and utilize their torpedo launchers. As for torps it seems they really only have a single triple launcher on each broadside (With some having less. IE 2x dual torp launchers) however the tier 10 seems to go to the more common either 4x triple or more presumably quadruple launchers. The torps themselves are likely to be mid of the pack, behind the British and Japanese (Atleast behind the japanese in torpedo stats, the french will have the IJN beat in arcs) but ahead of the German cruisers and Russian cruisers.. AA is probably above the average similar to the higher tier Germans but lagging behind the British and Americans. Armor is a value of note as the Saint Louis has about 210mm of belt armor which is substantially higher than almost all the other nations cruisers. If I had to guess this armor thickness will probably start by tier 8 with the Charles Martel. Lastly, speed... And believe it or not french cruisers are joe-average amongst cruisers in terms of speed and sometimes pretty slow compared to the rest. Though by high tiers I presume they'll be mid of the pack slightly behind the Japanese and Russians and slightly ahead of the Americans and British and rather sizably ahead of the Germans (By cruiser speeds standards, the 31 knots common amongst the germans and some of the french cruisers is fairly slow at higher tiers). If you want high speed, I'd wait for the Italians with their 36knot+ speeds. Honestly I don't think they'll have any different consumables than the other nations, unless wargaming wants to place the engine boost consumable on them. Really though It'd be a better fit for the Italians. Expect defensive AA and Hydro and the heal by tier 9.

 

So with all of that, the French are probably going to be closer range specialists but unlike the Americans could still be potent at longer ranges due to nicer gun ballistics. Whereas the American heavy cruisers have their formidable rate of fire, punishing AP and HE and superior maneuverability at close range to win brawls and of course radar to displace ambushes and smoke. The French have superior armor, more assault oriented torpedo systems (Think Atago/Takao), faster speed to close the gaps or retreat and if close range is not an option, the ballistics are more than adequate for long range unlike the British or Americans. Quite a nice cruiser line to fill that gap between the super close range potential of the American Cruiser and the jack of all trades ability of Hindenberg/Zao.


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Decent speed, nothing special (better than USN/RN, not as good as IJN/VMF). Armor will go from awful/non-existent (tier I-V) to quite good at tier VI and up. The guns will have RoF that's rather poor on the 6" guns, but quite decent on the 8" guns. The guns should have good AP, quite punchy. AA... Well, we really need to see what many of the DP guns are like, but a lot of the light AA (37mm cannons and 13.2mm MG's) we know from Dunkerque isn't very good.

 

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View PostSlow_n_Low, on 08 March 2017 - 12:41 AM, said:

USA has to make fun of the French. Since there would be no USA without the French. USA knows this so must make fun of them as a reaction to not wanting to admit it.

 

Would like to see actual History buffs answer also.

 

 

 

​We did come to their rescue twice.... so 1 up on them? lol

Bill_Halsey #13 Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:52 PM

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Any idea of timeline of release?

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View PostPhoenix_jz, on 07 March 2017 - 08:58 PM, said:

Decent speed, nothing special (better than USN/RN, not as good as IJN/VMF). Armor will go from awful/non-existent (tier I-V) to quite good at tier VI and up. The guns will have RoF that's rather poor on the 6" guns, but quite decent on the 8" guns. The guns should have good AP, quite punchy. AA... Well, we really need to see what many of the DP guns are like, but a lot of the light AA (37mm cannons and 13.2mm MG's) we know from Dunkerque isn't very good.

 

These are the prewar semiauto 37mm mounts and well we all know the 13.2 from Japanese experience. Once we get mid tier BoforsBoforsBofors upgrades and post war 57mm mounts the AA should be quite good.

 

The French shells are heavy and aerodynamically efficient so good performance at range seems possible as a trade off for RoF if WG wants to make them mid-long range specialists. After the British debacle I expect the French to have a more traditional introduction and not so much gimmick based. imoo



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View PostBill_Halsey, on 08 March 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

Any idea of timeline of release?

 

They go into super test with patch 0.6.3(which assuming they stay at the rate they're going now with patch releases should go live in about 2 1/2-3 weeks), so assuming all goes well with testing I would say about 5-6weeks at the earliest and with update 0.6.4 if it goes smoothly and they don't need any serious working on after supertesting. Most lines go well during testing and get released with the next patch after they go into super test. RN line was an exception due to them needing a whole lot of tweaks before being released, which is why they dropped 2 patches later instead of one. So I would look for them to be released around mid to late April.

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So far ---

 

The French cruisers match the tree model of USN cruisers, with light cruisers up to Tier 6, and heavy cruisers starting at Tier 7.

 

Tier 8 to 10 are all variations of the St. Louis class likely with increasing RoF.  In other words, a New Orleans equivalent, a Baltimore equivalent, and a Des Moines equivalent which i suspect with autoloaders.  These cruisers are fitted with 3 x 3 gun arrangements like you see with USN heavy cruisers (Pensacola was the odd ball).

 

Algerie is a well rounded but unremarkable heavy cruiser.  Well armored, 8" guns in 2 x 4 arrangement like the Hipper. Its a ship with little to no flaws, but doesn't stand out in any particular way, except for this is how heavy cruisers should be.

 

Emile Bertin and La Galissonniere are 3 x 3 light cruisers, the former light armored and the latter quite well armored.   The EB comes across to me harking like the Koenigsburg however, the LG comes across to me like the mating of the Budynonny and the Cleveland.  

 

Their most remarkable qualities are their guns.  French cruisers are not undergunned and can be competitive on plain ballistics without resorting to gimmicks. They don't resort to ultra high muzzle velocities like the Germans, Italians and Russians, but they don't have slow muzzle velocities like the Americans either.  What they do have are heavy shells that are quite long in length, making them superbly aerodynamic, matched to average as in not bad, muzzle velocities.

 

When comparing 8" guns to other nations, the French have the heaviest shells with the exception of the Baltimore's SHS AP shell.   However, the French shells travel much faster.

 

French early - 119 kg, 850 mps

French 1936 -  134 kg, 830 mps <---

JP - 125kg, 840 mps

KM - 122kg, 925 mps

USN  - 118kg, 855 mps

Baltmore -- 118kg HE 823mps, 152kg AP 762 mps

RN -116kg, 855 mps

Zara --- 110kg 940 mps HE, 125kg 900 mps AP

 

Overall, the French 8" shells won't be archy, the arcs will  similar to all other heavy cruisers.  The Germans will still have the flattest arcs, closely followed by the Italian Zara.

 

When it comes to light cruisers

French --- 57 kg, 870 mps

RN -- 50 kg, 841 mps

KM -- 45.5kg, 960 mps

Omaha --- 47kg, 914 mps

Cleveland, 47kg, 812 mps HE, 59kg, 762 mps, AP

French with USN shells --- 47 kg 900 mps HE, 59kg 840 mps AP

Russian --- 55kg, 950 mps

IJN 155mm --- 56kg, 925 mps

IJN 140mm --- 38kg, 855 mps

IJN 152mm Agano -- 45kg, 855mps

Italy --- 44kg 940 mps HE, 50 kg 910 mps AP

 

How the arc will form depends on muzzle velocity, shell weight and shell aerodynamics.  Complete data on shell aerodynamics are generally not available, though if the shell is longer in relation to its caliber, it tends to be more aerodynamic.  However, the French tend to be the best in this department. If the Germans and Russians go by sheer muzzle velocity, the USN with heavy shells, the French is noted for their shell aerodynamics.

 

The French have the heaviest shells short of USN SHS.  I don't think they will have Russian or IJN 155mm flat arcs, but they will have flatter arcs than most.  

 

Of note is that both Tier 5 and 6 light cruisers would be refitted to use to USN shells, namely those supplied to the Cleveland, but fires them at a much higher muzzle velocity.  That means the USN SHS shell at 840 mps, instead of 762 mps.  That's going to be a flatter arc and much better penetration.

 

I am left with the impression from Tier 5 to 10, French light cruisers are going to be formidable with their gunnery.  They have torpedoes, but they are generally like 2x3, 2x2 only for the Tier 6, which makes them auxilliary, situation only weapons.  You don't play these cruisers for their torpedoes, but only use them as a situational resort, and try to use their guns as much as you can.  Except for the Tier 7 ship which has a 2x4 layout, the 3x3 gun layout, with two turrets at the front, makes them prone to bow on tactics.  Going bow on would be how French battleships are going to play like, and to a good extent, with French cruisers too.

 

I won't mention RoF because that figure tends to be flexible to fit balance and playability.  I am expecting the French RoF figures to be rather conventional --- around 8 rpm for light cruisers, 4 to 5 for heavy cruisers as a starting point and progressively higher per tier.


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They will have the highest survival rates.

BrentD15 #18 Posted 09 March 2017 - 12:54 PM

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Hopefully no crippling gimmicks like the British CLs or German DDs.

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Henri IV stats, as leaked by TAP:
 

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Henri IV
Tier 10 French Cruiser

Stats:
Ship HP: 53300
Deck Armour: 30-80mm
Citadel Protection: 45mm – 140mm
Torpedo Protection: 19%
Max Speed: 35 knots
Rudder Shift Time: 10.8 seconds
Turning Circle Radius: 840 m
Surface Detectability: 16.56 km
Air Detectability: 10.35 km

Main Battery
240mm/55 Mle.1948 (3 x 3)
Range: 19.1 km
Reload Time: 17.15 seconds
Turret Rotation Speed: 32.7 sec/180°
Sigma : 2.0

HE Ammo: 240mm OEA Mle. 1948
Damage: 3400
Initial velocity: 845m/s
Chance of fire: 22%

AP Ammo: 240mm OPfK Mle 1948
Damage: 6200
Initial velocity: 845m/s
Penetration (5km/10km/15km) : 359mm/266mm/198mm

Secondary Battery
127mm/54.5 Mle. 1948 (6 x 2)
Range: 4.5 km
Reload: 4 seconds
Damage: 1800
Chance of fire: 9%

Torpedoes
550mm Mle 1924 (2 x 3)
Damage: 14833
Speed: 60 knots
Range: 9 km
Reload: 90 seconds
Detectability: 1.3km

AA
127mm/54.5 Mle. 1948 (6 x 2)
94 damage, 5.2km range

57mm/60 Mle 1951 (8 x 2)
97 damage, 3.5km range

Consumables
(1st slot) Damage Control Party
(2nd slot) Hydroacoustic Search/ Defensive AA fire
(3rd slot) Repair Team
(4th slot) Engine Boost

 


 

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Sothron #20 Posted 09 March 2017 - 05:53 PM

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Just hope that the line is not gimped.




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