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crzyhawk #21 Posted 13 March 2017 - 01:43 AM

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Exactly.  She has a T5 gun on a T5 hull, with no gimmick like smoke to make up for it.  Engine boost simply isn't enough to make the ship a T6.


SergeantHop #22 Posted 13 March 2017 - 01:50 AM

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View PostIJN_Cruiser_Jintsuu, on 12 March 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

 

Molotov is a tier 5 hull with tier 9 guns, this is a tier 5 ships with tier 6 guns. they do not compare at all. 

 

And that's all Molotov has over the Kirov. These guns sound very usable. Keep in mind Budyonny also has 152mm guns at tier 6. Chapayev has 152mm guns at tier 8. The gun itself doesn't really matter, but those fast shells will make for a very comfortable shooting experience.

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View PostIJN_Cruiser_Jintsuu, on 13 March 2017 - 09:33 AM, said:

 

Molotov is a tier 5 hull with tier 9 guns, this is a tier 5 ships with tier 6 guns. they do not compare at all. 

 

 

The Donskoy is more like a Tier 9 hull with Tier 6 guns.  

 

The Kirovs were in fact in real life fitted with these high muzzle velocity 1000 mps 180mms guns, but they had a very short barrel life and the high muzzle velocity is causing dispersion problems, so they toned it down for a while which is the configuration of what you see in the game.  Once the issues were refined out, the muzzle velocity went up back to 920 mps, which were reflected in the second and third set of Kirov subclasses.  The Molotov belonged to the second set.

 

Why did the Kirovs originally had 1000 mps?  The same Italian designers are giving the same ideas to the Soviets, and you only need to see that the Condottieri class itself is the granddaddy to the Kirovs, and you got that early 1000 mps AP on the d'Aosta.  Similarly, the Condottieris downgraded to an 850 mps shell to counter dispersion problems and to increase barrel life.

 

Donskoy basically has a Frankenstein gun-turret --- the Molotov's guns on the Chapayev's turrets (same turrets from the Buddy to the Mikhail).

 

 


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Eisennagel #24 Posted 13 March 2017 - 05:07 AM

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 13 March 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

Exactly.  She has a T5 gun on a T5 hull, with no gimmick like smoke to make up for it.  Engine boost simply isn't enough to make the ship a T6.

 

 

Her gimmick is a 36 plus knot speed along with 1000 mps AP shells.  At a distance she will look like a Soviet cruiser, and people might try to lead their guns in anticipation of one, but you may end up under leading since the ship might be moving faster than a Soviet cruiser.  Its for the same reason I tend to lead a bit more ahead if I am aiming at an Omaha compared to other cruisers as the Omaha is a bit faster.   At 36 knots you might be giving the ship the same target lead as you do with destroyers.

 

 



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View PostEisennagel, on 12 March 2017 - 09:07 PM, said:

 

 

Her gimmick is a 36 plus knot speed along with 1000 mps AP shells.  At a distance she will look like a Soviet cruiser, and people might try to lead their guns in anticipation of one, but you may end up under leading since the ship might be moving faster than a Soviet cruiser.  Its for the same reason I tend to lead a bit more ahead if I am aiming at an Omaha compared to other cruisers as the Omaha is a bit faster.   At 36 knots you might be giving the ship the same target lead as you do with destroyers.

 

 

 

Budyonny's only a knot slower without engine boost, has excellent MV, heavy shells and armor.

 

Marblehead has reasonable MV at 914 though I don't know what the aerodynamic comparison is. She does lose a couple of knots speed (plus engine boost) but has 8-broadside, 6-bow at 8.6 RPM vs. 8-broadside, 4-bow for D'Aosta.

 

 

Just being T6 with Def. AA, Rudder Shift Module is a boon. If she does get 16mm bow that's a bit of a boon compared to some T6 CL, the only other with 16mm so 203mm autobouncing is Cleveland.

 

Citadel height according to Phoenix_jz shouldn't be terrible. It could work. A premium coming in a bit behind Budyonny in power would have been laudable 6 months ago.


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