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Any word on a new French premium cruiser?


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YehoshuaUzziel #41 Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:43 PM

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View PostEisennagel, on 19 March 2017 - 06:16 AM, said:

This opens the possibility we may either see Montcalm-Georges Leygues-Gloire vs. De Grasse for a premium light cruiser, though the other three ships will be in Tier 6 and De Grasse with her post war, 16 x 5"/54 guns (uses the same ammo as the USN 5"/54 and has similar ballistic characteristics) will be on Tier 7.

 

However, given that the Atlanta has been pulled out of sales, its not likely we may see a French Atlanta, as WG might be trying to move away from this cruiser type at the moment.

 

My personal guess would be to see a premium tier 6 Suffren (or possibly a tier 5 Duquesne). It avoids an outright 'clone' situation - rather than having the rate of fire of La Galissoniere, the Suffren would get a more potent alpha strike.  Yet you'd still have the fragility and maneuverability native to the early French cruisers, and thus have a degree of synergy with the rest of the line as a whole.

 

I'd totally buy a premium tier 6 Gloire, though - in dazzle or without.  (Although I confess some preference for the Georges Leygues - or the 'Gorgeous Legs', as the Americans nicknamed the ship.  Just for the anticipation of hearing Jingles mangle the name in his review...)



Lord_Magus #42 Posted 22 March 2017 - 06:35 AM

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View PostEisennagel, on 19 March 2017 - 01:16 AM, said:

This opens the possibility we may either see Montcalm-Georges Leygues-Gloire vs. De Grasse for a premium light cruiser, though the other three ships will be in Tier 6 and De Grasse with her post war, 16 x 5"/54 guns (uses the same ammo as the USN 5"/54 and has similar ballistic characteristics) will be on Tier 7.

 

De Grasse would really have to be T8 seeing as she's like Atlanta except better in nearly every way (other than lack of torps).

 

 



thehelmsman #43 Posted 30 March 2017 - 08:15 PM

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View PostYehoshuaUzziel, on 19 March 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

My personal guess would be to see a premium tier 6 Suffren (or possibly a tier 5 Duquesne). It avoids an outright 'clone' situation - rather than having the rate of fire of La Galissoniere, the Suffren would get a more potent alpha strike.  Yet you'd still have the fragility and maneuverability native to the early French cruisers, and thus have a degree of synergy with the rest of the line as a whole.

 

My money's on Suffren as well. I was a bit surprised that it didn't wind up in the tree at tier 7, with Algerie at 8 as the closest European contemporary to Hipper.

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YehoshuaUzziel #44 Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:53 AM

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I must admit I'm not particularly surprised that Algerie is not a tier 8.  While it's the closest European equivalent to the Hipper (jointly with the Zaras), the German ship displaced (if I recall correctly) about 25% more on full load.  That's going to give the German ship an edge in overall quality, and I think it would have made a mediocre tier 8 without a bit of ahistorical buffing.

 

To me, the four Suffren class ships would feel similarly over-tiered as tier 7s, although I really feel they could make a fair tier 6 premium.  Since there's four of them in class, it wouldn't be unreasonable to have one as a premium and one as a standard progression ship on an alternative line.  (The same could similarly be said about one of the other La Galissonniere class ships, such as Gloire or Georges Leygues, as alternatives to the current vessels.)

 

Regrettably, my wallet isn't ready for all of the interesting premiums that I still want to buy (Scharnhorst and Kutuzov) let alone the ones that have been leaked (hello, Hood).

 

But I do, at least, have a ten point and six-point French captain waiting eagerly to drive something other than my showpony Dunkerque!



Eisennagel #45 Posted 03 April 2017 - 03:06 PM

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One cannot compare the Algerie to the Hipper for one simple reason: the French 8" guns are simply not in the same class the Hipper's.  For that matter, the French 8" AP shell seems to blow --- low muzzle velocity and loopy archs --- with only 820 mps.  The 8" HE shell is more decent, at 850 mps.   The Hipper shoots shells at 925 mps.  

 

Furthermore, the French light cruisers have a 6" guns have a better muzzle velocity --- 870 mps --- compared to the 8" guns.  Couple that with a superior firing rate, the fact that when you have triple mounted guns, you got more clustered shots, a hull that is far better protected --- the La Galissonniere and sisters are just going to run rings over the Suffren, which is poorly armored and overall has weaker guns.  The better alpha will not compensate for a killer combination of RoF and muzzle velocity.  






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