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Kombat_W0MBAT #1 Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:17 PM

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Standard HE penetration is 1/6th the shell caliber. According to the wiki, German HE penetration is 1/4th the shell caliber. 

 

Previously, I thought the improved HE penetration only applied to German battleships, however, the wiki doesn't discriminate. This seems to indicate that German cruisers (and possibly destroyers?) benefit from the better penetration. 

 

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Does anyone know conclusively if this is true or if this is simply an oversight on the wiki?

 

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SeaRaptor00 #2 Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:18 PM

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It's a good question.  Let me check the 0.5.6 patch notes.

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saagri #3 Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:19 PM

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I am very curious about the 100mm secondary guns. Regular 100mm HE does squat to anything but the weakest of super structures but 1/4 pen would mean all DD's are vulnerable. 

 

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SeaRaptor00 #4 Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:21 PM

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Hmm, inconclusive.  I remember that 0.5.6 was the big buff to German HE rounds at Tier VIII+ that took them from "meh" to "I can live with this".  Let me see who made that edit to the page; that will give us more idea of credibility.

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SeaRaptor00 #5 Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:23 PM

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The edit was made in late September by someone on the RU server.

The note in question isn't in the US patch notes; maybe it's in the RU ones.  I'll check over there.

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Kombat_W0MBAT #6 Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:32 PM

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View PostSeaRaptor00, on 13 December 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

The edit was made in late September by someone on the RU server.

The note in question isn't in the US patch notes; maybe it's in the RU ones.  I'll check over there.

 

SeaRaptor00, thanks in advance for looking this up. :honoring:

Izolyn #7 Posted 13 December 2016 - 06:42 PM

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If you can't find anything in patch notes, you could try testing HE against armor plates that 1/4th would pen but 1/6th wouldn't in training room.

 

Dresden / Kolberg penetration: 26.25 (1/4), 17.5 (1/6)

Karlsruhe, Konigsberg, Nurnberg penetration: 37.5 (1/4), 25 (1/6)
Yorck penetration: 52.5 (1/4), 35 (1/6)
Hipper, Roon, Hindenburg penetration: 50.75 (1/4), 33.83 (1/6)

 

Could test Yorck against something like Kirov's belt armor (50mm), or Karlsruhe/Konigsberg/Nurnberg against something like Iowa's bow (32mm).



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The RU patch notes imply changes were made, but they aren't conclusive either.

I hopped over to GameModels3D, and may have an answer for you.

When you browse over there, each HE shell in the game has a value listed under "Alpha piercing HE".  For Nurnberg's shells, for example, this is listed as "25".  

 

I wanted comparison numbers, so I checked on Cleveland.  It also lists "25".  Aoba lists "34"; so does Hipper.  Yorck's is "35", Donskoi's is "30", and Moskva's is "37".

 

When you divide each of those numbers by the respective gun calibers, you get 1/6.  I think the note in the wiki is incorrect, but we should put it in one of the dev Q&A's to be certain.

 

 


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While you're looking at the wiki, could you adjust the Admiral Graf Spee entry which states 'The German Navy officially classified her as a battleship'.

 

I believe they classified her as a 'Panzerschiff' or armored ship and later as a Heavy Cruiser, while battleships were termed 'Schlachtschiff'.


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View Postmofton, on 13 December 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

While you're looking at the wiki, could you adjust the Admiral Graf Spee entry which states 'The German Navy officially classified her as a battleship'.

 

I believe they classified her as a 'Panzerschiff' or armored ship and later as a Heavy Cruiser, while battleships were termed 'Schlachtschiff'.

 

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We could change Graf Spee's wiki page, sure.  But the in-game tooltip will still say "battleship".


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